Jun 11, 2010, 11:35 by webpatser
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The Cake Is A Lie
Sebastian Bergmann (Jun 11, 2010 at 11:45)
Talk at Dutch PHP Conference 2010 (English - UK)
Even if you have not played the game Portal" you might have come across the phrase "The cake is a lie". According to the Urban Dictionary, it roughly translates to "your promised reward is merely a fictitious motivator".||Scaffolding, the meta-programming method of building software applications, promises easier development and a faster time-to-market. But the "code generation bliss" can lead to problems later on, for instance with regard to maintainability and scalability. This sessions takes a sceptical look at frameworks such as CakePHP and Symfony.
Quicklink: http://joind.in/1537
Track(s): Track 2 (E104-5)
Slides: The Cake Is A Lie
Comments
Jun 11, 2010, 11:49 by PabloSerbo
I always enjoy Sebastian's talks. Basicly generated code frameworks are bad. Good to see someone challaging the status quo. Many developers will disagree with what is said but I think he might be right.
Jun 11, 2010, 12:07 by orlissenberg
If a fair amount of code can be generated in a consistent way, it should be done. I did not spot any alternatives or success stories ... slides were kind of meaningless imho, standard marketing material.
Jun 11, 2010, 14:42 by jach
Good points delivered by the speaker. Maybe the argumentation lacks a bit, but still very interesting. It provoked a lot of people.
Jun 11, 2010, 17:43 by renebakx
good points but Sebastian sounds a bit frustrated about the lack of unit tests in generated code. I guess he is workfield is more enterprise then mine. I do share his opinion about scaffolding but I never ran into trouble using a ORM like doctrine and I do write my queries in DQL using 1.x
Jun 11, 2010, 21:45 by brro
Sebastion does have some good points.
Although in my opinion the talk turned into what felt like 30 minutes of scaffolding bashing.
Every serious developer doesn't really use scaffolding for anything production.
Jun 12, 2010, 11:27 by NickBelhomme
Great because you get a different point of view on what is currently very hyped: USE propel, USE doctrine, USE ... another code generator.
Sebastian warns the user on such automagically generated code and how it creates technical debt.
Lesson: it is not because it is hyped that you should follow it: maybe the cake they promise is a lie!
In general I really liked the talk.
Jun 14, 2010, 10:03 by Anonymous
Biased talk?
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Jun 11, 2010, 11:09 by Anonymous
Cool talk, a very different point of view, than is normally advocated. I did certainly not agree with everything he said, but it was very interesting to get some new input.
I would love to hear more about how he would prefer to build webapps.