SymfonyLive London 2018
27 - 28 Sep 2018 at Park Plaza Westminster Bridge Hotel

Interesting and well-presented. Hits the button on an area I've been working with (rich domains with forms and DTOs) at the moment. The returning slide with the components listed, showing which had been added/removed in each solution was very good.

This was a really good talk covering the basis of where accessibility is at today and providing the background and references you need to make your web application (or mobile app) accessible to people of all abilities. It demonstrated effectively how the experience is for someone using a screen reader (this was really helpful). It gave me the impetus to remember how simple it is to design accessibly, and what an improvement this is for all users.

The talk was amazing, the enthusiasm is incredible. Keep up the good work

Hi Marcin,

thank you for your feedback! You are right, we could - as another way - combine data mappers and dtos and we missed to mention that. but using them without each other is a valid solution to the problem and the pro and cons are still valid.
we should also be more explicit about what glue code means to us, because using this bundle and not writing DTOs and DataMappers for yourself is getting rid of glue code between your domain and the bundle in your application.
and you are also right that we are using data mappers in the bundle implementation as well - so does the symfony core and i don't think there's another sensible way.
the purpose of the bundle is to test and discuss ideas about using symfony forms with rich domain models and bring proven ones to the core.

Thanks again for your feedback, we will try to be more clear about our ideas at the next conference!



I'd be glad to bring this discussion to slack, so just ping me if you like to!



Cheers,

Chris

Non-tech talks can also be attractive to tech people! Everything until getting to code-related part was great to hear. Perhaps you missed things related to how accessibility affects organization, did not give implementation case studies (ie. start-from-scratch and "redesign" paths). It would also be nice to hear how accessibility implementation could affect your business (beside knowing that on average, 15% of people worldwide have some kind of disability) and your relationship with customers.

For these kind of talks, infographics are best way to emphasize information, use them more :-) !

More of a concept talk. Lots of misunderstanding in what DTO, Data Mapper are (yes, these are not alternatives – one to another – you actually use Data Mapper to convert Entity to DTO / Domain Model). In the end, promised removal of Glue Code happened to be … another glue code (with Data Mapper, see the repository!) structured as a bundle.

I'd rather see how to properly distinguish Entity objects from DTOs, why DTOs are safer (immutability, for instance), and how to use with Forms, than giving a talk to put some background for own proposal (RichModelFormsBundle).

This is the kind of talks that must always be present at a conference. People need constant reminding about the value of a community and about all the possible way to contribute. Well done!

Enjoyed it so much! Interesting topic covered with great enthusiasm. Thanks!

One of my favourite talks today, "write less code" is brilliant :)
You proved your experience and eloquence Tobias not giving up when things went wrong with the projector :) Well done mate!

Interesting topic. I know it was hard as the first time. Small tip for the next time - add small bookmark/avatar/icon on each slide - one colour for one speaker. You will exactly know who should speak when :)